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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 16:33:04 GMT -5
For what it's worth. The following is my view on recent threads regarding NYSTA. NOTHING is aimed at anyone specific. In doing my part with my own affiliate, especially the Social Media aspect I can certainly appreciate how much goes into running an organization.
1)Nysta needs a message or a slogan. John Rockwood said this line in another thread a week or so ago. I’m going to suggest it and It's quoted here "NYSTA is the insurance policy that protects trapping in New York State" That sentence or a variation of it needs to be plastered everywhere the acronym or the name NYSTA appears, including the web page.
2)Membership cards – what do you prove by having one? If trapping businesses give discounts then I can see why you would want one but I would submit most people order equipment online anyway. If not then do away with them. Put that cost towards yearly stickers. 3)Traplines – need to move over to email distribution only. Offer a very small discount in membership fees to encourage the switch over. (Make adjustments for the few without internet service). 4)Email alerts – Although, I read this is underway. Response is being reported as dismal though. Enrollments whether new or renewed needs to be automatically put on the list. (Make adjustment for those without internet service).
5)Web page – In most aspects, this is the first contact most people will see when researching trapping in NYS. The page has to be up to date and interactive. The Officer and Directors page needs to be updated and provide links to the affiliates if they have a web presence. This may have to be outsourced if you want the webpage to encourage sustained enrollment. The viewer should be made aware of the pro-boards forum.
a)Do businesses on the web page pay or give something back to NYSTA? I read the other day the one company does. That should be noted somewhere on the web page.
6)The Forum – it would be nice if this forum can be an official part of NYSTA. I don’t agree that NYSTA business is discussed in the open forum. Maybe, encourage NYSTA members only section to discuss these matters. Why join NYSTA if I get all the information I need here. The webpage shouldn’t have Traplines posted either. Again, why join NYSTA.
7)Create a Pamphlet – have a pamphlet printed up that gives the person a quick synopsis of Nysta and why they should join. If allowable Trapping Instructors should be asked to promote us or at best just hand out the pamphlet.
8)Promote NYSTA through the New York State Outdoor News. Rarely do you see trapping related articles in this NYS publication. So this is one idea of exposing NYSTA. 9)Establish a Facebook page and or a Facebook Group? We need to stay with technology to promote trapping. Twitter is another option but I find it not to be as active then Facebook.
10)Regional Directors and County Representatives MAY need to do more in encouraging many aspects of what NYSTA needs to do as it relates to say collection of emails, etc. To see when one Regional attempts this, and gets resistance and/or no interest is dis-heartening and makes you wonder where most of these problems lie. NYSTA or the trapper.
We are a relatively small group of outdoorsman when compared to other groups. We need to capitalize on whatever we can to promote us.
Thanks Mike
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Post by Itrapny on Aug 21, 2014 19:21:12 GMT -5
To address a couple of the statements, email only Traplines newsletter has been discussed more than once and believe it or not are quite a few NYSTA members that either don't have internet access or have too slow a connection to make it feasible, which answers another question posed as to email alerts. Anyone that chooses to, can opt out of the newsletter and then read it on the NYSTA website if they choose. The NYSTA webpage Officer/Directors page is up to date with current officers and unless County Associations provide information to the webmaster, nothing can be updated. All business ads on the NYSTA website are paid ads. The NY Trappers Forum has been brought up numerous times as being tied closer to NYSTA but has met resistance each time. NYSTA does have 2 different pamphlets that detail the benefits of membership as when as wildlife management. The NY Outdoor News has published quite a few trapping stories over the past few years as Brad Sission is a staff writer and has interviewed notonly myself, but Dave Miller & John Rockwood. As far as advertising w/the NY Outdoor News, way too expensive!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 20:36:56 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the time to shed some light on some of the ideas I put out there .
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Post by richg072 on Aug 22, 2014 6:40:53 GMT -5
For what it's worth. The following is my view on recent threads regarding NYSTA. NOTHING is aimed at anyone specific. In doing my part with my own affiliate, especially the Social Media aspect I can certainly appreciate how much goes into running an organization. 1)Nysta needs a message or a slogan. John Rockwood said this line in another thread a week or so ago. I’m going to suggest it and It's quoted here "NYSTA is the insurance policy that protects trapping in New York State" That sentence or a variation of it needs to be plastered everywhere the acronym or the name NYSTA appears, including the web page. 2)Membership cards – what do you prove by having one? If trapping businesses give discounts then I can see why you would want one but I would submit most people order equipment online anyway. If not then do away with them. Put that cost towards yearly stickers. 3)Traplines – need to move over to email distribution only. Offer a very small discount in membership fees to encourage the switch over. (Make adjustments for the few without internet service). 4)Email alerts – Although, I read this is underway. Response is being reported as dismal though. Enrollments whether new or renewed needs to be automatically put on the list. (Make adjustment for those without internet service). 5)Web page – In most aspects, this is the first contact most people will see when researching trapping in NYS. The page has to be up to date and interactive. The Officer and Directors page needs to be updated and provide links to the affiliates if they have a web presence. This may have to be outsourced if you want the webpage to encourage sustained enrollment. The viewer should be made aware of the pro-boards forum. a)Do businesses on the web page pay or give something back to NYSTA? I read the other day the one company does. That should be noted somewhere on the web page. 6)The Forum – it would be nice if this forum can be an official part of NYSTA. I don’t agree that NYSTA business is discussed in the open forum. Maybe, encourage NYSTA members only section to discuss these matters. Why join NYSTA if I get all the information I need here. The webpage shouldn’t have Traplines posted either. Again, why join NYSTA. 7)Create a Pamphlet – have a pamphlet printed up that gives the person a quick synopsis of Nysta and why they should join. If allowable Trapping Instructors should be asked to promote us or at best just hand out the pamphlet. 8)Promote NYSTA through the New York State Outdoor News. Rarely do you see trapping related articles in this NYS publication. So this is one idea of exposing NYSTA. 9)Establish a Facebook page and or a Facebook Group? We need to stay with technology to promote trapping. Twitter is another option but I find it not to be as active then Facebook. 10)Regional Directors and County Representatives MAY need to do more in encouraging many aspects of what NYSTA needs to do as it relates to say collection of emails, etc. To see when one Regional attempts this, and gets resistance and/or no interest is dis-heartening and makes you wonder where most of these problems lie. NYSTA or the trapper. We are a relatively small group of outdoorsman when compared to other groups. We need to capitalize on whatever we can to promote us. Thanks Mike Mike I agree with you about the NYSTA website being the first thing anyone looking to join sees. When I first started trapping 2yrs ago I knew nothing about any association or what they did, or what they were about, etc. I first found out about NYSTA when someone on here I believe asked what associations they belong to, or something along those lines. Well I looked up the mentioned websites of these associations online to see what they were about. Most were very interactive, keeping you in there, perking interest with pictures, videos, history of what they were about, etc. I found the NYSTA website had pertinent information, place to sign up online, but within 60 secs I was done and out of there. At the same time another post on here came across of the importance of joining the NYSTA and reasons why. This is how I saw why it was important to join the local Association.
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Post by phade on Sept 7, 2014 19:52:02 GMT -5
To address a couple of the statements, email only Traplines newsletter has been discussed more than once and believe it or not are quite a few NYSTA members that either don't have internet access or have too slow a connection to make it feasible, which answers another question posed as to email alerts. Anyone that chooses to, can opt out of the newsletter and then read it on the NYSTA website if they choose. The NYSTA webpage Officer/Directors page is up to date with current officers and unless County Associations provide information to the webmaster, nothing can be updated. All business ads on the NYSTA website are paid ads. The NY Trappers Forum has been brought up numerous times as being tied closer to NYSTA but has met resistance each time. NYSTA does have 2 different pamphlets that detail the benefits of membership as when as wildlife management. The NY Outdoor News has published quite a few trapping stories over the past few years as Brad Sission is a staff writer and has interviewed notonly myself, but Dave Miller & John Rockwood. As far as advertising w/the NY Outdoor News, way too expensive!!!! Sorry to be so late to the party on this one. NY Outdoor News often runs trapping-related articles. I know this because I write many of them. You can almost always count on two-to-three trapping pieces focused on fur prices each season. Usually an early, mid, late, or a preview and a wrap-up style article, depending on whether there is price fluctuation or market impacts. I also write a handful of trapping how-to articles each season - as well as news-related bits when press coverage is warranted. Some of the people I've sourced in articles do indeed include Dave, Wayne, and John. Add to that list Pat, Al, Mr. Night Owl himself, Kevin Kishel, and at least another dozen more people associated with trapping in NY and NYSTA. Rest assured that anytime there is a way to get NYSTA or trapping in the press, I will. Speaking of which, I am writing an article on the 2015 NTA convention coming to NY right now. It'll be in the next issue. - Brad Sisson
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Post by Dave Morse on Apr 4, 2019 8:16:28 GMT -5
good read
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Post by whartonrattrapper on Apr 4, 2019 11:38:57 GMT -5
Apparently MF was unable to effect change on the "Old Guard" as he has resigned his position.
The website is a joke...after reading here the may raffle tickets were on sale I went there to purchase some. Couldn't find on there where they were selling them and since I have no checking account I decided it was not worth the hassle.
The last trap lines newsletter was just 6 months after this thread was going on.
And Rich072 that 66 doesn't have enough nuts to turn the 42" rubber. lol
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Post by bill1960 on Apr 4, 2019 20:17:34 GMT -5
Apparently MF was unable to effect change on the "Old Guard" as he has resigned his position. The website is a joke...after reading here the may raffle tickets were on sale I went there to purchase some. Couldn't find on there where they were selling them and since I have no checking account I decided it was not worth the hassle. The last trap lines newsletter was just 6 months after this thread was going on. And Rich072 that 66 doesn't have enough nuts to turn the 42" rubber. lol If you would like to buy a raffle Ticket all you have to do is send me a message or give me a call and I well send them right out Thanks Bill
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 12, 2019 13:28:24 GMT -5
Let me be very clear; despite all of NYSTA's faults and troubles, we would not have trapping in New York today if it were not for this organization. Look around at neighboring states like Massachussets, and New Jersey. We live in an ultra liberal state with an ultra liberal governor and legislature. Look what's happening in some of the western state strongholds. That could very well have been us! NYSTA officers and Board are made up of volunteers dedicated to preserving trapping. We have had all kinds of personaliites including more than one President that did us great harm, more than one very damaging lobbyist, and at least twice have had money stolen by officers.Over the years I've seen a lot of faces come and go, I call them flashes in the pan. This is not unique to NYSTA. I've seen it in volunteer fire departments, and even some church groups,and even town government. That said, despite some dead wood here and there, NYSTA has some very dedicated members; people like John Rockwood,Dave Miller, Bob Samuelson, Bob Hughes, Jim Carmody, dick Leggett,Dave Liebig, and others too numerous to name. For years Jim Carmody served us our NTA representative, traveling all over the country to represent us, always paying out of his own pocket, never seeking to be reimbursed. I remember him collecting dues at the Middletown convention. How many years ago was that? John Rockwood, a perfect gentleman and honest as they come served under the most difficult of conditions, at the cost of his own health, and dealing with some very dishonorable people.Dave Miller has fought for us in the legislature for years. I could go on and on. People say "why should I join? " A number of reasons: Preservation of your rights!The Trapper's Post,Regional Fur Sales, Annual Convention. Don't sit back and let someone else carry the load. As for me I want to thank the Gidneys and Mike Finn for all they have done for NYSTA, and it has been a lot
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Post by flatiron on Apr 19, 2019 18:45:47 GMT -5
Al West , the most truthful , informative and just plain telling how it is . Thank you ! Yourself needs as much recognition as all those you mentioned. Those flash in the pan people have absolutely no idea what went on 10 or 20 years ago or why we are still trapping in NYS as we speak . Thank you again , Von
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 19, 2019 19:12:16 GMT -5
Thank you Von. You and Gordy Berndt, Dave Corse, Black Bart, and many, many more are what has preserved trapping in New York. I agree, there are many people out there that don't have a clue on the threats to trapping that we encountered. Remember when the Director of the Bureau of wildlife threatened to mandate soft catch traps only on land and what we did about it? Remember when idiots were killing dogs in conibears without using common sense? There have been numerous issues that threatened our right to trap and unfortunately a lot of people don't remember or did not know what took place. One of the big benefits of my getting involved with NYSTA is meeting people from all over the state like you.It is an honor to have you as a friend.
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Post by nyredfox on Apr 23, 2019 20:15:58 GMT -5
Already looking forward to the annual camp Flatiron festivities that take place each year at the NYSTA Convention. This annual even has gotta be pushing 10 years that we’ve been doing this, and each year it gets better and better. Great way to meet trappers from all over NYS and beyond!
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Post by milkie62 on Apr 24, 2019 17:31:10 GMT -5
I have been a member of NYSTA for many years but only as a dues paying member. Having seen what NYS has compared to other states just goes to shoe you that there are many hard workers in NYSTA. Started coming to the convention when they had the 1st NE NTA in Greenwich. Have enjoyed meeting the guys at FlatIron and camping out yearly with them. Last year just prior to the convention I took on the treasurer postion. I hope I can make a difference and welcome constructive criticism.I also have a good coating of mink oil on my neck so busting my chops will have no effect on me.
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Post by paintedpaw on Apr 27, 2019 9:46:31 GMT -5
Thank you for stepping up.
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