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Post by luckyone on Jul 7, 2014 19:00:38 GMT -5
I am planning on finishing all my footholds this week.
Last year I dipped a few and it appears they did not rust as much as the ones I dyed and waxed. Is this normal?
All I intend to trap is fox and coyote. I believe there are a lot of opinions on the topic. I am just looking for what has worked for veteran trappers in the past. I have read many articles in magazines, but it seems the most realistic responses are on this forum.
I also put 75lbs J.C Conner T-Bar Shock Springs. Was this a good move?
I thank you for your help in advance.
Respectfully,
LuckyOne
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Post by camohoyt340 on Jul 7, 2014 19:49:46 GMT -5
I dyed and waxed my traps last year. I bought some that somebody had speed dipped. Looked like they did a decent job. But no matter what I did, it seemed like the smell stuck to my hands. Then if I tried to modify them, it got all over me. I removed all speed dip from those. I know some people like speed dip. Not me. I've heard good things about Full Metal Jacket though I've never used it. Oh and I'm not a veteran trapper either.
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Post by REDNECK on Jul 7, 2014 20:53:59 GMT -5
Took speed dip off this year dye and wax from now on
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cooper67
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Post by cooper67 on Jul 7, 2014 21:00:19 GMT -5
I dip all my body gripping. Traps and beaver foothold traps, the beaver foot holds I also wax on top of dip, all the rest of my traps I die then wax. Have tryed the dips and did not like the tackyness. To each is there own, if you do your canine traps in dips and then have refusals they are pain to get clean of the dips . If you are buying new traps you can cheat by dish washing the traps then just wax . I have not had a canine refuse to step on a trap covered in the dirt that was shinny.the jc conner shock springs are a great investment on all canine traps for helping to prevent any damage to the animals
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Jul 7, 2014 21:17:34 GMT -5
I'll never dye & wax any trap again for the rest of my life... dipped or painted only. As for canine sets and refusals? No such thing with properly dipped traps and quite frankly probably not with sticky traps done wrong, either. Those "refusals" occurred for other reasons but the trapper does not want to accept that fact as reality
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Post by REDNECK on Jul 7, 2014 22:49:39 GMT -5
Like any others thing in life every one has there own way I my self tryed speed dip not for me now others love it I say if its not broke dont fix it I my self if I did it all over again I would do dye and wax my first year not speed dip it is not fun to take off I lost a lot of time trying to get it all off but did well in the end hope some of this information helped
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Jul 8, 2014 5:37:03 GMT -5
A lot of guys talk about removing speed dip and how hard that is... which is true. And removing paint off traps is several times harder yet. But that's simply a testament to how good each method coats steel. It has nothing to do with effectiveness, that's a completely different conversation. I have caught fox and coyotes with traps last dipped several years prior and also dipped a couple weeks prior. Caught them with traps still sticky inside the spring coils, many times.
In my opinion, waxed traps give off more odor than dipped traps do at the set. Waxed traps are not scentless... they distinctly smell like wax.
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Post by Lonny Mattison on Jul 8, 2014 5:56:49 GMT -5
I was brought up on dye and wax. I like the old school way and seems fitting. I dipped my water and conibears.
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austinp
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Post by austinp on Jul 8, 2014 6:45:06 GMT -5
nothing wrong with dye & wax at all... works great. Dye/wax or dip or paint, all pretty much equal imo
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Post by gibb on Jul 8, 2014 6:48:14 GMT -5
I use formula #1 on my wolf traps never had a problem and easy to re-dip if need be. More important to make sure the trap is cleaned properly before you treat it, a lot of guys do not proper prep the trap before they dip. Jim
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Post by kirkwooder on Jul 8, 2014 8:13:01 GMT -5
All my water traps get a couple good coats of Rustoleum flat black. The rest get log wood and no wax. A few years back I had a bunch of traps that I had died and didn't have time to wax. I ended up needing to use them mid season and I didn't notice any difference in performance between the died and waxed, and the traps that I only died.
One thing with the painted traps, I still need to repaint them every year. The abuse of setting and firing several times over a season always seems to take enough paint off them to make me want them painted again.
My $.02
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Post by luckyone on Jul 8, 2014 12:49:28 GMT -5
Thank you for the advice.
I think I will leave the traps that have already dipped, and dip the body grippers this year.
I will also try to keep track and compare catch ratios this year between the footholds. I just hope I get all the traps done this weekend with the expected heat coming.
Thanks again.
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