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Post by silentnight on Jan 26, 2014 0:22:53 GMT -5
Ok so I finally got some hoops, but beings iv never used them I'm lookin for proper/best way to put hide on them? Do I attach hooks to hoop first or what? An I wonder if there is an average amount of hooks per pelt? I would assume it would varie with each pelt because of size..... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Post by trappermac on Jan 26, 2014 8:27:27 GMT -5
Been a while since I used hoops but I used to put the hog nose ring thru the pelt then attach to the hoop. It's similiar to boarding a beaver where you start with a hook at the nose, then the tail end, basically north, south, east and west then keep that pattern going splitting the distance between hooks. As the tension increases you can use a pair of pliers to pull the hook over the hoop as well as loosening the tension a bit in the hoop. You're going to use a lot of hooks to get that beaver perfectly round, probably ending up with 1/2 - 3/4 inch distance between hooks.
Can I ask why you are using hoops when the fur buyers expect oval pelts these days? Boardng is easier than hoops IMO.
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Post by redneck315ers on Jan 26, 2014 8:52:40 GMT -5
I would never use a hoop .wood is not bad at all . I have to go with mac on the wood .I never used a hoop but looks like I would get mad with one
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Post by silentnight on Jan 26, 2014 10:42:03 GMT -5
thanks mac, im using hoops for one cus I thought it looked easier then boarding,especially sense I didn't have a pattern, got a good deal on the hoops, two to save space as I only have an 8x12 shed to work out of that's already got a wood stove, stand up freezer and some trapping gear, so space is limited, figure it will save some space and drying time. and if the oval shape is a big deal, I can make them oval easy enough I think.
thanks again for the help.
Joe
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Post by silverfox on Jan 26, 2014 10:58:19 GMT -5
pretty much what mac said, start nose and tail (north south, i start loop about as big as hide without stretch) then east west then split all the way around,if its a larger beaver (thick leather) pliers help with poking hooks thru hide, should not be "muscling" the hooks on just taught, loop can be adjusted as you go i found the hoops to be much easier than wood (another personal preference thing), and def take up much less space, pelt dries twice as fast due to unrestricted air flow, i played with the "oval" thing and yes you can buy the "spreaders" or just make your own (which is what i did, just a wood slide adjusting pole with hooks on either end, just dont wait till hide is hooked all the way before "compressing" into an oval (extra hooks avail at any feed or co-op store as they are just hog rings)good luck!!!
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Post by silentnight on Jan 26, 2014 11:02:46 GMT -5
I picked up two hundred hooks to start with cus that's all the tsc store had, I was told to grind one point off for personal safety so hundred down hundred to go, and that's where im off to, thanks again guys, and everyone can feel free to add if they have any other tips.
Joe
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Post by catchemall on Jan 26, 2014 19:12:56 GMT -5
I use nothing but hoops I bought a ton of hooks put them on with needle nose pliers it's much easier and then when all hooked on about 3/4-1/2" apart open up hoop as much as possible then bend in the sides it dosn't really bend the metal but a beaver is naturally oval as soon as u squeeze in the sides u can see the pelt help u to get that oval shape it works for me then just hang and let dry
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Post by silentnight on Jan 27, 2014 14:43:23 GMT -5
well i did my first one on the hoops last night, its not really oval, but overall i think it looks ok, need to practice my sewing a little bit. speaking of which do you guys sew up the legs before stretching or wait til your done and do it afterwords?? i let it hang over night and did it this morning but after all said an done i coulda done a better job, got 5 more to practice on though.
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Post by broadhorizons on Jan 27, 2014 16:07:10 GMT -5
Use pieces of lathe or plywood and pin the legs shut.
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Post by silentnight on Jan 27, 2014 19:09:53 GMT -5
good idea!! why didnt i think of that lol thanks!!
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Post by silverfox on Jan 28, 2014 7:11:15 GMT -5
Use pieces of lathe or plywood and pin the legs shut. yup on the back legs and i just use rubber bands on the front legs then cut flush once dry, oval shape with hoops generally requires torque by means of rod or even para cord, really easy once ya get a system, good luck with the rest!!!
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Post by silentnight on Jan 28, 2014 15:05:41 GMT -5
i did a smaller kit beaver last night, by the time i got the hoop down to size it pretty well held its own oval shape, also used wood an pinned back legs shut best i could, wow was that a whole lot easier then tryin to sew them up!! glad i picked up that info. the front legs i used some 12 lb fish line cus i didnt have any rubber bands, just made a slip knot and pulled tight as possible... think that will work ok for now?
i dont think ill ever go back to boards unless i absolutely need them, i accomplished putting both beavers on hoops in a whole lot less time then trying to put them on boards, so as long as the buyers are happy with them, thats what ill be sticking with. again thanks guys for the tips
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Post by Brunner on Feb 2, 2014 17:03:20 GMT -5
Have been using hoops for about 6 years now. I sit down and use a hammer to tap all the hog rings around the hide. I have a wooden table I do this on, or a length of 2x4 on a table works also. Once rings are around the hide about 3/4" apart, I hang the hoop up and proceed to attach the hide to the hoop. My fur buyer has never said anything to me about the shape of the beaver, but it's only the small ones that seem to wind up round.
I went with hoops for the same reason as stated above, lack of space. Also, the fur dries so much quicker on hoops.
I bought my hoops new from MTP, and the hog rings came with them. I don't remember how many hooks my 1/2 dozen hoops came with, but I do remember with a couple blanket beaver mixed in the batch, there wasn't enough hooks for 1/2 dozen beaver.
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Post by silentnight on Feb 5, 2014 22:34:10 GMT -5
i only have a plastic table i use right now for putting them on, and it appears that im gonna start using pliers to pull the hooks thru the hide, or i may give your method a try. i wore myself a nice big blister and popped it without even knowing it a few days ago doin the biggest beaver hide i caught this year. so another lesson learned and more good advice! thanks.... even with the bigger pelts i bet iv cut my time "boarding" the beaver pelts in half or better by using the hoops, much much easier and quicker all the way around for me. i got my hoops used and they didnt come with the rings but for the price i did not care. i just bought a bunch of hog rings and ground one end down a bit and straightend them a bit. pretty much all set for next year i do believe.
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Post by rivervalleytrapr on Feb 16, 2014 11:19:57 GMT -5
You can use the hog rings to close up any holes just link them together to reach the hoop and pull them closed
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Post by newfox1 on Feb 20, 2014 19:44:43 GMT -5
wouldn't the hog rings work on the hind leg holes also?
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Post by rivervalleytrapr on Feb 21, 2014 15:21:40 GMT -5
Yes they do. I pull from the inside out to the hoop and if I need to I go all the way acroosed to the other side to finish closing. This also works on holes in pelt other then leg holes.
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Post by BigBore44 on Dec 13, 2014 11:36:14 GMT -5
Good stuff here guy's. I've never tried trapping beaver but may give it a try this year. Can someone post a picture of what the Beaver looks like when on the hoop.? I'm curious to see how it looks. Thanks and hope y'all have a Great year!!! BigBore44
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