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Post by jsevering on Mar 4, 2012 17:24:56 GMT -5
what chemical changes ??---- ................................................................................ not so fast big guy... i know you, doing a little side step... what chemical changes... jim
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Post by otter on Mar 4, 2012 21:29:16 GMT -5
Were's bucky in this thread???I don't think otter, fisher, mink or weasels go by any rules. They are such good hunters they eat whenever. I think it's the prey animals that go by the weather changes..Just a thought.
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Post by bballou on Mar 5, 2012 6:23:14 GMT -5
Jim----when animals are "IN" a hunt----fear---- etc. mode ---- arent they suppose to emit a smell---caused by the body change ----what causes the changes? ---how do pray animals know that this one is on the hunt and that one isnt. ??--Probably a whole new topic. Thats what I was eludng to.
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Post by jsevering on Mar 5, 2012 6:38:47 GMT -5
was thinking you were talking along the line of thermoregulation, part of burning calories like brush wolf made mention of... wasn't thinking that direction at all...
see how you are... gonna have to think on that for a while... your just not right... jim
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Post by brushwolf on Mar 5, 2012 7:47:32 GMT -5
maybe heart rate,respiration rate causes it Bill ?
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Post by herm on Mar 5, 2012 8:35:13 GMT -5
One thing for sure,the animals have better fine tuned senses than we do.They know how to rely on them and they put them to use in their every day life. Ours have more than likely become diminished over time by our use of language and passing on learned skills from one generation to the next with books etc..Now with the electronic communication age upon us our senses will likey recede more as many things will be thought out for us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 20:42:45 GMT -5
One theory i have in regard too k-9's is that fox and yotes expend a lot of energy hunting for prey and that there fat reserves are just not there, they have internal instincts that tells them too hunt harder before a barometric pressure change in order too keep up the fat reserves when there prey animals that they hunt will be seeking sheltor from impending storm. mother nature has givin them these traits for survival and i capitalize on these behaviors by putting fresh sets in the ground before a storm to take advantage of such a feeding frenzy of behavior.
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Post by slyfox74 on Mar 5, 2012 22:32:39 GMT -5
One thing for sure,the animals have better fine tuned senses than we do.They know how to rely on them and they put them to use in their every day life. Ours have more than likely become diminished over time by our use of language and passing on learned skills from one generation to the next with books etc..Now with the electronic communication age upon us our senses will likey recede more as many things will be thought out for us. Herm makes a good point. Have any of you had this happen? I used to feed ducks from my dock every day in the summer as a little boy. I'd lay right down on the dock and toss the bread in and watch the baby ducks scuttle across the water after it. I'd get them so they would get brave and eat right out of my hand. Once in a while, (being a little outdoorsman) I'd get the passing thought that it would be easy to grab one of them. It seemed to me, that every time, that thought came to my head, the mama duck (who would surely be watching closely) would stick her neck straight up, and the youngsters would quickly dash away a few feet. They'd always come back after a few tosses of the bread, but for a few seconds their dander was up. I gave it alot of thought as a boy, it seemed almost telepathic that they could sense when I was thinking "predatory" thoughts. I have applied this to actual duck hunting or any hunting. I feel like a person can get a flock of ducks much closer if he lays back and stays perfectly relaxed the entire time a flock is working the spread. Don't worry about the kill until just before trigger time. I don't know if this is true or just my stupid unfounded theory. I know this, I've had enough animals of every species, walk, or fly very close to me when I wasn't hunting. I've had beavers climb right up on a bank just feet from where I was sitting. and I've seen ducks and geese pour right in on me when I wasn't hunting. I've also seen them come in and quickly leave for no reason when I was hunting. Like they were spooked about something. There has to be a predatory "aura" or maybe a distinct predatory chemical reaction that gives off a smell. I think something happens though. I call it "Sensing The Predator"
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Post by mrlongbeard1 on Mar 6, 2012 5:47:47 GMT -5
It's body language. Sometimes it is real subtle,kind of like pro card players get a TELL on their opponents.
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Post by jsevering on Mar 7, 2012 9:56:24 GMT -5
think god gave us and animals to a degree inner and outer senses... some are learned through experience ... some inherent...
just wondering what happens when confusion and curiosity comes into this mix ... are they and/or we bound to them..whats the difference, what kicks in ? .. jim
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Post by herm on Mar 7, 2012 17:18:14 GMT -5
Perhaps the sense that is the hardest to explain is the ability for an animal such as a dog or cat to be taken many miles away from home and be able to find it way back.This might take several days or weeks but some how they by having a homing sense make it back.I know of one case about 30 yrs ago where a dog was lost at a nite hunt around Bradford Pa.Six days later the dog showed up back home.It had crossed the Allegany River,The Genesee River and the Southerntier Expressway among other things to get back home.This by the way is one sense that I believe is being bread out of many of todays dogs.I wonder if the use of tracking collars has anything to do with it.
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Post by jdpaint on Mar 7, 2012 21:41:37 GMT -5
« Reply #11 on Mar 3, 2012, 6:46am » I was always told that "why" muskrets moved more during a rain ----was because there already low to the water profile---- was even harder to see with the rain hitting the water---thus being less likely to be seen buy a predators. The WEASEL family has always intreaged me---why do the trappers usually catch more of them during a stormy night. Than on any-other night.
Hey Bill Ballou, my un experianced explanation to your questions- Rain brings the water table up ,the rats can scratch ,dig and feed on a new level of white roots ,some kind of bulb or grass.Easy trapping. If the feeder streams freeze up and the river drops no more diggings and trapping is slow but the river ditches will start producing again.
I am only a little familiar with mink but during both tropical storms last fall i saw the same mink ,second time it was about 15 seconds behind a rabbitt . The mink was kinda loping like they do and the rabbitt was heading for some old machinery and round bales. It was gonna hole up and be dinner and the mink new right were to go and in no hurry.Rain or snow moves or holes up the prey and the mink have an easy time traveling and stocking up.Sound right?Pretty neat watchin the mink from my porch. PS I have a new mortal enemy on my line - The otter.
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Post by bballou on Mar 8, 2012 21:36:02 GMT -5
jd ---I learned a long time ago----when it comes to animals ---there can be a lot of answers ---and a lot of the answers ( a high number) can be correct ----we as trappers have to sort them out and find --- what ones work the best --- to out advantage.---any and all of this thread should at least make us think.---- Why is the otter now your enemy ??
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