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Post by deepsleep on Mar 12, 2007 20:53:08 GMT -5
So force people who are not members to become at least an assoicate member or they can't get through the gates.
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Post by Adirondack-Jim on Mar 12, 2007 21:14:36 GMT -5
I've been a member in the past but refuse to renew with any $ going to NTA. Correct me if I'm wrong but I was recently told that NYSTA still contributes to NTA.
Instead, it's going to USSA which seems to be in the thick of things on a real level in many states where trapping is threatened. Seems to me this is what a national organization should be doing. Visit the USSA website and see for yourself.
If NYSTA will start a fund that will only be used to directly support their Albany lobbyist, count me in to send some $.
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Post by Itrapny on Mar 12, 2007 21:28:56 GMT -5
Jim, It's your money spend it how you want, but please keep in mind that Dave Miller is the FULL time lobbyist employed by the NYSTA to support your rights in Albany whether you are a member or not. The NYSTA contributes money to EVERY national organization which supports sportsman's efforts not only here in NY but across the entire country. Please also keep in mind when the NTA NE is held in May HALF all the proceeds go to the NYSTA. The NTA has supported the NYSTA many times in the past and offered their help last year with the Long Island dog incident and again this year with our upcoming fight in Albany. If you would like to contribute directly to Dave Miller's salary please send it directly to him or buy a raffle ticket where 100% of the money goes for his salary as well. Once again, it's your money, spend it how you see fit but please consider where ALL the money is distributed, not just a portion of it.
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Post by Adirondack-Jim on Mar 12, 2007 22:16:29 GMT -5
That will work for me if you can PM me his address, thanks.
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Post by jsevering on Mar 13, 2007 6:14:57 GMT -5
seems most trappers across the board have one thing in common at conventions. outside of purchasing new supplies and comradship... the quest for more trapping knowledge...
maybe if we did something like a full day spring and mid summer hands on in the field trapping seminar covering actual sets and locations.... for specific animals or group of animals available to nysta membership only.....
advertise the session good..... charge a reasonable fee and require at least an assoc. nysta membership to register..... say water in the northern part of the state and land in the southern and western parts... in the spring and flop the locations of land and water in the fall.... to make the sessions accessible across the state.......
might be a way to get some new membership and funding for dave miller at the same time..... only a thought ....jim
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Post by fisherman on Mar 13, 2007 7:37:39 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong, but in all of this hoop-de-do yesterday out of the Governor's office and all of this stuff about promoting Outdoor Sports I fail to see no mention of Trapping. Same holds true for Grannis' speach to the Conservation Council. Can't help but wonder if this is by design? All I have to say is beware of woves wearing sheep's clothing!
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Post by Adirondack-Jim on Mar 13, 2007 10:08:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the address information Wayne.
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Post by tommy on Mar 14, 2007 5:30:28 GMT -5
Dave Miller has a dream to have a "trappers College" here in the East, like the one in the West. How about some of you gestting togather and help him make it possible ? We have some very knowledgable people just in NY not to mention the whole East .
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Post by jsevering on Mar 14, 2007 6:06:04 GMT -5
pat... it would seem something along that line be it sessions or a colledge... would also allow nysta to address sensitive issue's like the 220 bucket one thats facing us now.... another avenue to help get issues addressed and resolved in part possibly...jim
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Post by johnrockwood on Mar 14, 2007 7:45:47 GMT -5
Pat, that's an excellent idea from Dave. That would be a great way to derive a goodly portion of Dave's salary. Now to make it a reality .................. Your own work with CANY and kids, setting up advanced trapper training seminars, etc. has been fantastic. Keep up the good work - we all appreciate it very much.
Al, I agree about Grannis. NOTHING that I have read in any of his speeches or comments, in the newspapers or otherwise, have said anything about trapping. When Dave and I were in his office, most anything said by Grannis could be taken more than one way. Maybe I was trying too hard to read between the lines, but I honestly believe I got the real message from him and he will never support us, will always try to undermine our rights under the guise of animal cruelty. Pete Grannis said outright to Dave and I that he was not against trapping, but was totally against any type of animal cruelty. He spoke of body gripping traps and included the foot hold trap and snare as he spoke about them. He is calling all of them body gripping traps. NYSDEC does NOT have appropriate legal language in place to differentiate between body gripping (Conibear type) traps and foot holds or cable restraints. IF this legal language to differentiate between the types of traps is not instituted BEFORE any new regulations regarding #220s and #160s, and especially if Pete Grannis is appointed DEC Commissioner, we could possibly be having to trap foxes and coyotes (if using a trap with a jaw spread larger than 5 inches) 4 feet up in a tree or in an enclosed box or bucket !!! Maybe this should be a new post !
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Post by fisherman on Mar 14, 2007 8:16:29 GMT -5
I think the idea of an eastern trappers college is an excellant one. Could be a great fundraiser, we have lots of credible potential instructors. Idea has real merit. Talked with some trappers that attended the Council banquet monday evening and they claim that Judy Encek's address was virtually the same as Grannis's earlier address; NO MENTION OF TRAPPING! You can't tell me that this isn't all a coordinated conspiracy. Fortunately those good trappers pointed out her "oversight" to her after her speech. Also, thank you Wayne for posting the text of Grannis address to the council elsewhere on this site. Maybe it is this warmer weather and the winds coming north from Albany but I could swear that I smell rotten fish in the air! I again contacted my Senator yesterday asking her to oppose the Grannis confirmation and I asked her to ask very specific, pointed questions of him regarding his attitude and intent towards trapping.
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Post by Adirondack-Jim on Mar 14, 2007 8:42:18 GMT -5
This was exactly my concern when reading the proposed regs.
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Post by skinner69 on Mar 14, 2007 17:07:21 GMT -5
I don't know so got to ask-why don't the dec change the printed regs to discern a bodygripping trap from a foothold trap?Whats the big deal about adding a sentence or two to the book to define the difference between the 2 styles of traps?
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Post by Itrapny on Mar 14, 2007 17:11:01 GMT -5
Because know one has pressed, or asked them to yet, to the best of my knowledge.
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Post by skinner69 on Mar 14, 2007 17:25:57 GMT -5
Because know one has pressed, or asked them to yet, to the best of my knowledge. So,the nysta has NOT pressed or asked them to change the wording?-especially before the 220 regs get passed.This is insanity-why the heck haven't they asked for a definition of the 2 to be printed.You know,the last week with talk of the nysta member problems and ways to fix it,the 220 regs coming up and trying to stop that,the grannis situation,and now dec's newest vhs baitfish regs regarding receipts for all baitfish sold-which affects my tackle shop,and now learning of this crap.I gotta wonder why i even bother with the outdoors or this state for that matter.I think my brain is gonna explode-when is all this crazy s*** gonna end!
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Post by nyfur on Mar 15, 2007 20:26:36 GMT -5
i wasn't even aware of the free membership for new trappers until Dave leibig told me about it. he got me and my girls signed up. i can assure you all we will be renewing every year and also recruiting as many new members as we can. we love trapping and will do our best to keep it and the NYSTA alive! i do believe we need to find a way to get the word out to "all" trappers, old and new. pins,hats and such are nice to have as they serve as advertising.gotta let people know you exist somehow. I too wasn't aware that you received a free membership NYSTA either, it wasn't even mentioned by our instructor,there was at least 15-20 people who took the course. That would have been additional members,that didn't even know...
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Post by johnrockwood on Mar 16, 2007 8:27:52 GMT -5
Dave Miller told me he has been talking to DEC about a legal language definition for the differences between body gripping traps and foot hold traps for years. So NYSTA has been working on this, but nothing has been done. Evidently DEC has not seen the necessity to do so. Now, with everything that is going on with body gripping traps on land, that legal language definition is imperative to the preservation of trapping. I, myself, heard Pete Grannis include foot hold traps and snares in his definition of body gripping traps during our talk with him in his office in Albany. Is there any doubt in anyones mind that eventually, if legal language isn't written to differentiate between the two types of traps and the regulations for body gripping traps are imposed as they are presently written, we will no longer be able to use anything larger than a 5" foot hold trap on land unless it is four feet up in a tree or in an enclosed box or bucket ? That is exactly what the wording of the regulation is going to state if the legal definition of body gripping trap is adopted as per Assembly bill A1615 and others.
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Post by coonman on Mar 16, 2007 15:37:09 GMT -5
Skinner69, I feel for you I run a fulltime charter service on Lake Ontario, I went through the stocking cuts in the 90s and listened to thier half a## studys they do on the lake to determine baitfish populations. Needless to say when I went to the BOD meeting on the 220 regs and saw how many people were involved in making the proposal for there use, and how they came up with thier decision, I could'nt believe they did'nt get more input and look into the cituation futher before they dropped this bogus draft on us, and don"t get me going on the deer cituation. I can"t take it anymore. Maybe the sportsman of this state should do a complete boycott of buying licenses to get our point across. seems like money is the only way to get yourself heard .
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Post by herm on Mar 17, 2007 8:53:28 GMT -5
I wonder if when the new regs. take place and they rewright the language of traps, if we will finally lose the right to make and set deadfalls in NYS?
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Post by fisherman on Mar 17, 2007 9:59:50 GMT -5
Shhh! Don't give those guys any more ideas!
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Post by herm on Mar 17, 2007 11:02:13 GMT -5
Fisherman,I dont think anyone would target them,but I can see where they would inadvertantly get cought up in the language of how body traps are defined and how they can be set under new language and regulations.Keep an eye out on this for us.
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