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Post by ztbowtech on Jun 10, 2011 14:56:41 GMT -5
i measured the inside jaw spread of the duke #5 longs that i just got and they measured 7.25. i don't know if i read it wrong or i measured wrong but that is what i got.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 14:59:33 GMT -5
What's your point?
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Post by milkie62 on Jun 10, 2011 15:03:13 GMT -5
If you are sure that is what they are then you are all set with some "Big Iron" for beaver ..
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Post by ztbowtech on Jun 10, 2011 15:03:31 GMT -5
i did not know if i measured right because some places say 7.5 inside and then i would have to have inside lams put on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 15:05:37 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean? If you are saying the max inside jaw spread for water trapping is 7.5 inches and your trap measure 7.25, not sure why you need laminations.
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Post by ztbowtech on Jun 10, 2011 15:07:11 GMT -5
no the max is 7.25 and people were saying the trap measured 7.5 so if that was true i would need to mod it.
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Post by clay on Jun 10, 2011 15:18:16 GMT -5
I would check again to make sure, but this is what I eluded to in your original thread on the subject: That a lot of traps' jaw widths are over-stated in documentation on numerous websites and you should measure for yourself.
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Post by ztbowtech on Jun 10, 2011 15:49:18 GMT -5
i was wandering if anyone had any that they could measure to compare measurements
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 15:55:20 GMT -5
Bring them to Dunkirk Zain, Take them to the NYSTA booth, bring a tape measure, they will show you how to measure and be sure.
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Post by ztbowtech on Jun 10, 2011 15:59:14 GMT -5
i measured inline with the dog post. that is how i thought you measured.
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Post by clay on Jun 10, 2011 16:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by Brunner on Jun 10, 2011 18:40:23 GMT -5
Zane, I just measured one, and it also measured 7.25". I would say have fun with them the way they are and good luck.
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Post by traps82 on Jun 10, 2011 18:49:14 GMT -5
I was going to say the same thing on the orignal post.. But from reading your posts... I knew you would measure them yourself.. Good job!! ;D I once had somebody read me the riot act (on another forum) about using #3 Montanas on land here in NY.. That since they are "copys" of Montgomerys they could not be NY legal (5 3/4 inside spread)... I posted pictures, up close, of the set trap and a measuring tape.. Never heard about it again.. My long winded point is... Measure them yourself! Once again.. Good job!! ;D ;D
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Post by Brunner on Jun 10, 2011 18:58:25 GMT -5
One thing to think about. Most supply houses and trap companies themselves advertise the outside jaw spread of their traps.
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Post by trap4life on Jun 10, 2011 19:07:21 GMT -5
I was going to say the same thing on the orignal post.. But from reading your posts... I knew you would measure them yourself.. Good job!! ;D I once had somebody read me the riot act (on another forum) about using #3 Montanas on land here in NY.. That since they are "copys" of Montgomerys they could not be NY legal (5 3/4 inside spread)... I posted pictures, up close, of the set trap and a measuring tape.. Never heard about it again.. My long winded point is... Measure them yourself! Once again.. Good job!! ;D ;D lol jerry
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Post by traps82 on Jun 10, 2011 22:21:42 GMT -5
I was going to say the same thing on the orignal post.. But from reading your posts... I knew you would measure them yourself.. Good job!! ;D I once had somebody read me the riot act (on another forum) about using #3 Montanas on land here in NY.. That since they are "copys" of Montgomerys they could not be NY legal (5 3/4 inside spread)... I posted pictures, up close, of the set trap and a measuring tape.. Never heard about it again.. My long winded point is... Measure them yourself! Once again.. Good job!! ;D ;D lol jerry Karl remembers that!!! ;D
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Post by milkie62 on Jun 11, 2011 23:05:02 GMT -5
I did not realize the #3 Montana was 5 3/4".They advertise it as 6".Must be the outside measurement.
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Post by coondogger on Jun 13, 2011 17:42:17 GMT -5
Without posting the name of the DEC captain I talked to concerning inside jaw spread..he basicly told me that officers wouldn't go through your traps measuring them all to see if they are legal..we had this conversation concerning MB550's used on land...they measure (if I remember correctly) 6" inside jaw spread..I can pm you this guys name if you like...he said if I ever got a ticket for using the MB550's he'd come to court an back me up on it...This is not to say that you should set traps that are a whole bunch larger than legal and expect to get away with it..just that they won't nit pick over a slightly larger than legal trap...
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Post by trappermac on Jun 13, 2011 19:53:26 GMT -5
MB550's have an inside jaw spread of 4 3/4 and outside of 5 1/2....perfectly legal and the perfect size trap for land.
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Post by coondogger on Jun 13, 2011 20:49:40 GMT -5
Yup, something like that.....
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Post by traps82 on Jun 13, 2011 22:33:34 GMT -5
Very easy way to assure yourself if you are legal... Follow the diagram in the regs and measure them yourself.. Which is what Zach did. The MB ?... Was this perhaps about the MB-650? Needs inside lams to make it NY legal. I have them and so does my bud.. I inside lam'd them all. Each one.. I know what they measure.
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Post by coondogger on Jun 14, 2011 9:00:12 GMT -5
"Note: The Environmental Conservation Law (Section 11-1101[6]) defines how body-gripping traps are measured. You need to measure the inside distance between the outer frames of the trap. The addition of one or more bars to the inside of the frame does not change the way these traps are measured. The measurement is still the maximum distance as shown in this picture."
Might want to look at waynes link, as this is where the above came from...an I guess you could interpt this to say regardless of inside lams it is still the distance between the outside frames...
The MB550's was what I was talking about...but I have always been told the measurement at the widest point of the jaws was what counted...after looking at Waynes link I would have to agree they are legal as long as they don't change the way they measure..LOL.
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Post by Brunner on Jun 14, 2011 15:41:15 GMT -5
Sorry coondogger but the regs are different for foothold traps then the body gripping regs that you posted.
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Post by nightstalker1 on Jun 14, 2011 16:12:49 GMT -5
In NY, 550's are good but 650's need inside lams to be legal
550's are similar in size to a #2 size trap
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Post by coondogger on Jun 14, 2011 17:41:59 GMT -5
Appears so..never understood the use of lams anyways....seems unnessacery..if u want more power, 4 coil them...
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